In comparison to this time last term this week is fairly calm and relaxed, the mean reason for this is that we've already been through this process, we've all passed and know what is needed to pass. Therefore are more relaxed when it comes to confidence of their own work and all the presentational aspects, mainly because this is another website plan; the next assignment may not offer the same relaxed environment when it comes to this point in the term.
I feel settled within the course, everything's running smoothly and I've got into a good routine when it comes to the blog, comments.. a good routine when it comes to time sheeting and recording along the way.
I've worked a lot with the whole creative elements this week, developing my screen designs and banners. Which, of course.. I've really enjoyed. Especially comparing the developmental work to the finished products and seeing the building process throughout.
The final ones.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/seyance/thebanner.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y24/seyance/thebanner2.jpg
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Text still looks far too tight at the edges of the banners. I’d pull in some ruler guides to set a margin at each side and align the text box to those guides. Then simply amend the text until it fits into the text box without overflowing.
It looks like other people thought this before you amended it the first time – maybe you should consult them after the amendments for thoughts on the alterations.
Given the space, I think it would be harder not go get close to the edges and go with a similar size text. The size of text I'm using is purposely because it relates to the size of the picture, using it in a much smaller way would take away from the effect I'm going for overall with my piece.
You definitely don't have to make an effort to read my banners.
I decided to have a go at a quick redesign of your banner, taking into account all the feedback you have been given but decided to ignore.
I think the resulting piece is a much more subtle and classier banner.
http://thecraigdomain.co.uk/images/
redesign_banner.jpg
I don't think any of the effect you was trying to achieve has been lost with my quick redesign, it's just better considered.
There was no reason why you couldn't reduce the font size a little bit to allow the design to breathe a bit more. Each section of information is now grouped to make it easier for people to read, and everything isn't as much in your face, allowing the image of Christine to really shine.
Sometimes, you've just got to sit back and let the photography do the work and not fight it.
I have taken some of the feedback into account and moved the text inwards abit and reduced the size, but I still wanted to achieve the affect I was going for.
I'll be honest, I don't really like your redesign, the fade looks sloppy, and the space mixed with the different colours doesn't work aswell to seperate, so it ends up looking abit disjointed.
I have to disagree with you there Andrew, the colours you have chosen still work as well on Craig's design as they did on yours and with the smaller text they provide a sense of space without being too negative.
"You definitely don't have to make an effort to read my banners." - Isn't that just in your opinion though? Maybe other people have difficulty in reading them?
the sizes of both banners are still too big, 77k and 89k.
The font has being used effectivly, and doesnt appear to be squashed, but thats my opinion.
I too agree your banners are too cramped Andrew. I think your comment of 'given the space, I think it would be harder not to get close to the edges' is a very defensive comment to make.
The rest of your class all had the same size banner and none I have seen have made their text as close to the edges as you.
Regarding your journal titles may I point in this general direction
In comparison to your posted design, Craig’s redesign offers a more effective layout. Generally the appropriate size of text it is often a misconception. If a word is displayed larger it is read easier.
Although, text if more than a few words is set to the same size often is difficult to ready and therefore people will not bother reading it.
I'll be honest, I don't really like your redesign, the fade looks sloppy, and the space mixed with the different colours doesn't work aswell to seperate, so it ends up looking abit disjointed.
Not quite sure what fade you're talking about, but there doesn't seem to be an issue with it from my end.
The space that you describe is one of the key principles of information design (and I believe you've just had the lecture) - Proximity. Grouping relevant information makes things easier to find at a glance. It's a fact.
I completely disagree with the disjointed comment. Because my text isn't fighting the image like yours is, the text fits in a lot more natural way. Your text looks oversized, and fights violently against a beautiful image.
Opinions, opinions..
Listen, Listen.
Steve, I'd listen if I agreed.
I think there's some valid points.
I can see what they're saying but if I implemented these changes then it wouldn't be the concept I was going for.
I understand that. As long as you realise concept has to give way to practicality sometimes though.
Yeah I know that, but on this piece I don't feel it's any less practical without changing it to suit the feedback.
(Do these count in my quota, haha?)
Most of them!
Think of it as this way: if you was worknig for a client and they hated your design. Would you keep it how it was basically because you like it? I think not. Sometimes you've got to let go of hwat you think, and listen to what others say. Distancing ourselves from our work is one of the biggest challenges their is.
Just remember that it is Steve thats marking your work at the end of the day and he seems to agree with what is being said by the other students. :)
Comment deadline.
Hi Everyone
Some fantastic feedback there from everyone.
I understand why you are sticking to your guns about your design Andrew; however, you have to remember that it is important not to get too attached to your designs.
You appeared to take the criticism really well in class but not so much online.
Remember “When everyone is against you, it means that you are absolutely wrong-or absolutely right” - A. Guignon.
The comments many people have left are around a very similar theme; perhaps that in its self says something.
It is great to see a discussion like this surrounding your work Andrew; perhaps it might be better suited to use DasForum for this kind of feedback? [I know Craig would love to see a more active use of the Forum].
Grrr to the comment deadline
I was a few seconds too late :-)
Do 'left over' comments such as mine count for next weeks?
[I know I should have done them sooner]
I think you know the answer to that Shaun. Grrrr to you too!
It's like Steve says you seriously need to listen to what people say and try and detach yourself from your work.
If a client says "I don't like it change it" You can't say "No, I like it this way" because at the end of the day the client is paying you to do what they want.
It is hard detaching yourself from something that has taken you a while to do but it does happen.
I agree with what the others have said the text is too close to the edge and I believe I said that in the last post as well.
I can detatch myself from my work, it's not like it was hard to do or anything, but there isn't a client saying he doesn't like it, theres the opinion of classmates.
Opinions of classmates that are far more experienced at designing than you are.
The general consensus is it needs to be changed, but yet you've not changed it. That reeks of two things: arrogance and an inability to listen.
Two things you seriously need to sort out if you ever want to be successful in this industry. As Steve and anyone else would say if you asked them what the design industry is: it's a service industry. You either become a Yes Man or you become a poor man.
There's always a thousand more queuing up behind you to take your place.
Craig makes some valid points Andrew. You are not only getting feedback from your own classmates but the second years and Steve too.
I for one would have killed for the chance to have so much feedback in the first year but unfortunately we weren't that privelaged.
If you continue to ignore peoples feedback then people will just stop giving it to you. That leaves you in a very vunerable position when it comes to assignment criteria and doesn't allow you to improve either.
It's good that your not just giving in to all feedback and changing your design to suit as not everyones feedback is 'good' feedback, but if the majority of people are saying the same thing (including your tutor with years of experience in the industry) then I think it's a time that feedback should be turned into actions.
I can't remember seeing one past 17 before Steve, and it seems to be the most controversial too.
Opinions of classmates that are far more experienced at designing than you are.
Not necessarily Craig; I have taken things into account, don't worry.
but there isn't a client saying he doesn't like it, theres the opinion of classmates.
It's best to see Steve as the client for this as Steve is marking the assignment and if Steve says it's wrong you're probably not going to pass it, or in a real case scenario you will not get paid or get repeat business because you do not listen to your client.
Yeah I do see Steve as the client, that method has been put forward by Steven and other classmates before now.
I was reffering specifically to the classmates feedback and opinions, Steve didn't really go into indepth feedback. In class time he said he thought the designs looked fine.
As far as coming across as arrogant, don't think because I'm sticking with my guns somewhat that things people say are not sinking in with me, or that I'm not taking notice of them, because I look at everything and take it into account.
And will think about these things in future projects.
Congratulations Andrew on provoking our longest ever journal thread! 30-odd and still counting. I hope you manage to steer a course between your own aesthetic ideals and the valuable feedback from your colleagues. Good luck!
because I look at everything and take it into account.
And blatantly disregard it?
We give you advice to help you, not to be ignored. I know you may say that you aren't, but you are. Take it from us we are 2nd years which obviously counts for something as we are still here.
Does it not strike you as odd that numerous people are saying the same thing about your d
And will think about these things in future projects.
Thanks for the persistant interest though.
Hi Andi
I like your baners personaly, i think the only think i would change is the colour text. But that would only be to cut the size more.
Thanks, Martyn
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